If not, we could argue that GT Trunks got his sword under different circumstances. If his energy, combined with everybody else minus the regular humans still isn't enough to take out Boo, I really don't think he had the power up as of then. Afraid you might break a nail or somethin? Sure, unlike Goku, Gohan is a much better father and provider for his family, but who's to say he didn't train when he had free time in his busy life?
Pan had to get her training from somewhere in Goku's absence. Meanwhile, Vegeta kept on progressively getting stronger, and while Gohan is weaker than Vegeta, he's not weaker by much. He's up there with Vegeta still. Plus he took on Super Saiyan Bebi Goten in his base for the majority of the fight. I don't think dying had an affect on his ability to use his ''mystic'' form at the end of Z, or movie 13 if we're including that too. Post by Wojak » Wed Jun 17, pm Well, ever since he got the "mystic" powerup, he looks like a SSJ, but in baseform, and he never loses that appearance, not even after he died.
And about the genkidama thing: maybe they needed a helluva lot power to destroy Kid Buu, who was being resilient like a rat, and he didn't seem to lose chi either. Only Vegetto managed to completely oliberate parts of Buu. Futile attempt at an in-universe answer: It wore off. Far as I can see it, Gohan's "Mystic" powerup was just a nice sizable boost that rearranged his power, compacting it all into his base and axing his Super Saiyan forms.
Over time, due to misuse, his power may have degraded and reverted to the same arrangement it previously had. He may have retained some of the raw power he gained, but no longer in the nice, convenient, more easily-usable package it was once in. Analogy time: It's like if Gohan's power is water, Old Kaio's ritual gathered it up and froze it into one big ice cube, and over time it melted and spread back all over the place.
As soon as gohan became ultimate gohan, that was it. He stays at his max power without the cost of powering up or transforming. He transformed in GT because it would be more epic that way. Simple as that. Toriyama didn't write GT which means the new writers could flexible with it-- Ssj3gogeta96 talk , January 25, UTC ssj3gogeta Tell me the episode or the chapter because I never seen or read anywhere saying "Gohan, you cannot ever transform into a SSJ anymore" tell me where you see this at and then I will post again.
Toriyama has said that this is the first time he has been so deeply involved with DragonBall Z in a while and that a lot of fans have already considered this movie canon. Case closed. GT has a couple of inconsistencies, or continuity errors, to be precise. Ultimate Gohan probably never existed in GT's continuity. It is likely the writers forgot this, and made him go SSJ Anyways.
This "ultimate" form sort of acts like a transformation itself, as displayed in the movie Wrath of the Dragon. In the movie, Gohan turns into his "ultimate" form to fight. He looks simliar to his base form, but you can tell the difference.
His revenge plan saw him seek global domination and enslave all of the earth's Saiyans under his control, including Gohan. One thing that both versions of Gohan have in common is that they've become lackadaisical about his training.
When Super first begins, Gohan has become so weak from not training is that he's embarrassed in a fight with Frieza. It takes an entire redemption arc for him to get back to his full strength. While he is not portrayed nearly as weak as his Super counterpart and is still stronger than most of his allies without training, he's still more concerned with being a father, husband, and providing for his family than with fighting.
Ever since his childhood, Gohan pursued ambitions of being a scholar. The beginning of Dragon Ball Super still sees him working towards trying to make that dream a reality. Highlighting this point, his very first scene in Super sees him exiting a book store with an arm full of books to study. While he is still as smart as a whip in GT , it seems that at some point in his life that he puts his scholarly pursuits behind him as a bigger job comes in front of him.
He spends GT working as a researcher at Bulma's company. In Dragon Ball Super, as Gohan struggles in his fight with Frieza, Piccolo shields his former protege from Frieza's death beams, dying in the process, similar to what he did for Gohan during the Saiyan Saga against Nappa. All means all. Just watched it 10 mins ago.
It's simple really. If he knew Hirudegarn, Super Buu Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed , Bills who had power levels above him, and the earth was in danger, a normal mind would easily comprehend that to beat such characters with high power levels, you would have to have power levels higher than theirs, right? Of course.
It's completely obvious. He was getting pummeled to pieces. The obvious answer is because he couldn't. Because it's impossible for him to surpass his limits. Old Kai unlocked all his powers, so in his base form, he can now access SSJ2 tier strength and any other latent strength he had not unlocked yet. If he could raise his power level, he wouldve done so. This concludes that he can't go beyond Mystic form because that's his absolute limit.
There is nothing he can do but raise his base level up to maximum. Transformation costs energy, as displayed with USSJ Trunks who was using so much energy into transformation and maintaining it, and most notably SSJ3 Goku who couldn't keep the form up for more 20 minutes or so, simply because of one thing, it's high maintenance, it costs ENERGY.
What's so different with Mystic Gohan? Mystic Gohan now can use his SSJ strength without transforming, so energy efficiency is perfected here. He can simply raise his power level versus having to transform first before raising power level.
This is why Mystic Gohan didn't transform, because he already reached his max state, he raised his power levels to max and was still getting creamed. If transforming into an SSJ was going to win him the fight, he would of done so. We can use Bills as an example. He doesn't transform at all, he just simply raises his power above Z-Fighters tier and he is already regarded as a threat.
Old Kai drew out all of his power, meaning that he has all of his power in base form. There's no such thing as "he can transform but he'll be weaker" or "he can but it won't make a difference". Also, the power he never unlocked is also, obviously, not present. Old Kai drew out all of Gohan's power, so Gohan can use all this power while in base This also helps because he doesn't have to transform into a different form that slowly drains his ki If Gohan could go SSJ, he would've done so Gotenks-Buu anyone?
If Gohan could get a boost similar to a Super Saiyan at that point, he'd definitely use it, but he didn't. That guy pointed his finger and Kakarot fell down! We are not even sure if he could transform into a Super Saiyan because we didn't see him to do so. He fought Super Buu and thought he could beat him but the wonder starts when Super Buu absborbs SSJ3 Gotenks along with Piccolo, inspite of sensing Buu's rapidly increased ki, Gohan didn't think to transform but he knew that his energy was less than Buu's energy.
Perhaps, it was a mistake of the creators or some other unknown fact but I THINK Ultimate Gohan could tranform into a Super Saiyan because according to the aspects of series it indicates that.. If gohan was able to go SSJ in his ultimate form, do you realize how strong he would be?
He was able defeat super buu with his "base" form which is stronger than or almost as strong as ssj3 goku. This is because he gohan is stronger than gotenks based on their fight with super buu whom goku said is stronger than him. Can you imagine how powerful gohan would be if he went ssj2? He might even be stronger than gogeta vegito if he could go ssj2. And why didn't he go ssj when he was being beaten around by super buu with gotenks and piccolo absorbed?
When he was with the old kai, i think that he dramatically increased his base power and gave him the ability to go into ultimate form. With the ultimate form being an easy transformation to unlock all of his powers without going SSJ.
He might go SSJ 1 to conceal his full potential, but SSJ2 is pointless because it takes alot more effort to transform. I would ignore GT because it is inconsistent with the series. In GT their powers are all over the place. Gohan never goes into ultimate form. And as I said earlier, if his ultimate form actually is his base form, then he would be infinitely stronger than everyone else in the series.
He would be stronger than SSJ4 goku, but he isn't. When trunks and goku fight luud they barely use SSJ powers even though they were almost beaten. First, I would like to say that the power level doesn't matter in the series while the major aspects are to emphasise the Saiyans.
As we all know that we have been wondering, witnessing the infinite power of the Saiyans that we almost share a thought that a Saiyan doesn't stop at anything if he knows to increase his power either it's Ultimate or anything else..
I know, it would be ridiculous if we really compare the whole Saiyan's Power theory to what the series showed us that Saiyans can increase their power by achieving a much more powerfull states but this the truth plus it was never said that Gohan was in a particular form or transformation named Ultimte form, it was just his Secret hidden power which was released in that form and nothing.
Old Kai never said that there was a form like that. I think, Gohan was too overconfident in his new power which led him to stay in his current state. He couldn't realise in that moment that he could transform into a SSJ or other forms because he was so busy fighting Super Buu.
We all saw that Gohan did these kind of mistakes earlier while fighting with Cell and Bojan in Bojack Unbound that he forgot about what he really could do with his powers, it was Goku who always used to encourage him and make him believe in himself in order to regaining his confidence.
I won't consider GT here because that series was thought totally different in many parts which doesn't share the same informations with Z. He can it's just his appearence doesn't change. His power and strength increase like a Super Sayians would. When transforming you're destroying your body and becoming weaker throughout the process.
But in the new form he can be alot stronger without any strain. The big black circle is Gohan's full power. What Elder Kai did was remove the blue circles.
The bigger the circle, the closer to full power. The forms listed are the transformations needed to reach that level of power. Read the caption and open the full picture. Fatdude talk , September 8, UTC.
Maybe due to Gohan skipping his training and focusing more on his studies as a Scholar and his family probally dued to peaceful times no doubt over the ten year gap seen after the defeat of Kid Buu, his Hidden Potential vanishes which is why it's not seen in Dragon Ball GT at all.
Nikon23 , December 4, UTC. Look at the way I see it. Super Gohan is merely Gohan at his max. This means that his base power has increased substantially even greater than ssj3. Super saiyan transformations increase your base power to about percent more. Therefore If Super Gohan transforms then he'll get a massive boost of power. The reason he hasnt done that already may be that its harder to awaken super saiyan with his base level so strong.
I think he can but hasn't learnt to yet. Maybe his Hidden Potential is something for some reason from his Human half, so it unlocks his human powers and locks away some of the saiyan stuff.
Maybe he figures out how to re-unlock his saiyan transformations some time in those ten years between Z and GT.
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