Rand al'Thor 7, 3 3 gold badges 42 42 silver badges 74 74 bronze badges. Very excellent explination of the time-line. The first movie didn't do a good job at explaining the lapse of time between when Bilbo got the ring, it being handed down, and the start of Frodo's adventure.
It also didn't explain jsut how long Gandalf spent researching the ring and finding out it's history. The time-line in the movie is not really correct anyway.. I think the most important part is what you described in the last two paragraphs.
After Saurons was made aware of the ring still existing by Gollum , his mind was set on finding it especially after Frodo exposed himself to Sauron. Geerten - I will have to watch the movie again. Its not clear to me one way or the other how quickly after the party Frodo departs on the journey. There is no obvious years passing, but it is implied that some time has passed. Bilbo has aged considerably by the time Frodo reaches Rivendell although it is also suggested in the books that this effect of no longer having the ring.
Geerten - Frodo is 33 at the time of the party, and 18 years pass - making him 51 at the time of the movie. Hobbits come of age at 33, so he is at most starting middle age, and is really still relatively young. But I do agree - he doesn't look like he is in his late 30's in human years. Show 1 more comment. Swilbo Swilbo 81 1 1 silver badge 1 1 bronze badge. Ensiferum0 Ensiferum0 11 1 1 bronze badge. From the books, Sauron does not believe the ring is lost and when he starts to re-establish himself in middle-earth does so in a place where he can search for it, near where Isildur dies at the Gladden Fields.
I got rid of it, you know. I should have liked to see it again. But no, how silly of me! That's what you went for, wasn't it: to get rid of it? There are a few reasons. Chris Johns Chris Johns 3, 15 15 silver badges 15 15 bronze badges. You can't really know exactly what effect it had on Bilbo though. Have you read our other Tolkien and Middle-earth Questions and Answers articles?
Your email:. Those 17 years help to make the Ring effect more clear, and of course they are lost on both movies…. It is a defensible compression, I think. Jackson had already launched with an extensive, placid exposition and introduction — he has to start picking up the narrative pace at some point, and he has a lot of story left to tell.
In the book, it is not the 17 year period when neither Frodo or Gandalf realize what the Ring is that has bothered me. The stakes he is playing for could not be higher.
It would have been just as well for Frodo to let out that he is taking a long summer holiday in Buckland, and be done with it.
Tolkien wants Frodo to escape, repeatedly, by the skin of his teeth, so it serves his narrative to not have Frodo leave immediately.
But it does impose an air implausibility on the character decisions at this stage of the story. This Website does not collect personally identifying information for the sake of processing user data. Org earns commissions from qualifying purchases. Skip to content. The movie changed the timeline — but Frodo did not really wait that long to leave.
They're kind of like angels. So since he already partly exists in the spirit world, Sauron doesn't travel there when he slips on the ring. Like Sauron, Gandalf is also a Maia. Gandalf is too wise and wizardly to risk wearing the ring, but if he ever did, and pretending for a second that this is Middle-earth High, he'd still need another way to slip into the girls' locker room.
Of course, he'd still find a way. The guy's a wizard. At the beginning of The Return of the King , we see how Gollum first came across the ring. Then known as Smeagol, he's out fishing with his cousin, Deagol, when Deagol finds the ring at the bottom of the river. Smeagol kills his cousin, steals the ring, calls it beautiful or something, and then hotfoots it to the Misty Mountains, where he lives for the next five centuries. But why the Misty Mountains, where he was obviously in danger of being discovered by the goblins who also lived under the mountains?
The answer: the ring led him there. The Misty Mountains, the central mountain range on the map above, lie near the border of Mirkwood the forest with the giant spiders in The Hobbit. Mirkwood is where Sauron's spirit was regaining its strength during the events preceding, and partly during, The Hobbit. It had slipped from Isildur's hand and betrayed him; then when a chance came it caught poor Deagol, and he was murdered; and after that Gollum, and it had abandoned him Basically, the ring led Gollum to the mountains so it would be closer to Sauron until it was time for the ring to continue its journey to its master.
That's also why Just like the ring led Gollum closer to Sauron, it can also decide when it's time to get lost — literally. We saw the ring shrink down to the size of Isildur's finger at the beginning of The Fellowship movie. But then, when Isildur was attacked by orcs, he put the ring on his finger and tried to escape across the river. That's when the ring decided to change size and rid itself of Isildur until someone else found it The scene where Isildur loses the ring was filmed , but it was only released on the Extended Edition DVD, so a lot of people missed the significance of the ring changing size.
While it was widely assumed that the ring simply took on the size of its new owner's finger, the truth is that the ring chooses when it wants to transform.
It's been argued for years whether the ring is actually sentient — and the debate has never been resolved — but the general consensus is that it's basically been magically "programmed" to take the quickest route back to Sauron, whatever that may be. Frodo never lost it because he carried it on a chain most of the time The flaming letters on the one ring look awesome, but even more exciting, they're contextually and historically significant.
In English, the inscription reads "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. But more importantly, the ring represents the only written form of pure Black Speech that Tolkien ever created.
Originally posted by Merry I took Gollums weariness to mean that his life was devoid of all meaning and purpose except to live for the ring. Originally posted by Merry Originally posted by Ulairi You have some interesting arguements Ulairi! Yeah true, if he aged as rapidly as Bilbo did while in Rivendell Gollum should have kicked the bucket way before he reached Mordor with Frodo. So what is your answer to this then Ulairi , you are dismissing everyone elses ideas but not coming up with a suitable answer!!
In answering the original question, why didn't he just coil up and die, I will say that he's too cool to die! Ulari, here are some answers. The Valar did not increase their life span except in the healing of their minds and bodies. They continued to be mortal and would and did eventually die. This is from the Letters of J. Here it is. A man is married to a woman for 30 years. He has always loved her.
He will always love her. He treats her like a queen, nay a goddess. She leaves him for another man. Without warning, she is jerked from his life and, unlike death where she's gone , she continues to live in bliss with someone else. For that man, each and every day becomes a weariness that is unbearable The man has three children who depend on him.
The children make the weariness bearable. Tho the man yearns for the quiet and solititude of death, his obligation keeps him from entering its tranquil darkness. Gollum was like the man who had lost his wife, but his wife had not left him for someone else at least as far as he knew. He viewed that someone else had stolen it. His weariness became bearable because his whole being was put into finding that which he lost.
I hope this gets the message across. Finally, it is not fair to compare Bilbo and Gollum. Gollum held the Ring for hundreds of years while Bilbo had it much less.
The prolonged effects of the Ring would be more significant in Gollum than in Bilbo. I know I have given you no quotes yet Originally posted by Grond Frodo and Bilbo and eventually Samwise all went to Valinor where they were healed of all worldy wounds and hurt.
Originally posted by Grond A man is married to a woman for 30 years. Originally posted by Grond Finally, it is not fair to compare Bilbo and Gollum. Originally posted by Grond Gollum held the Ring for hundreds of years while Bilbo had it much less. You've dug yourself a hole, care to jump in?
Originally posted by Grond P. Grond, why hast thou forsaken my thread? I thought it was going to be a hit!? This is my first time here, so what I say may have been said in the past, I dunno. My view is that Gollum 's vigour in life was not because of the fact that he posessed the ring , it was It's existance. As long as Gollum posessed It, his life was stretched out like butter spread over too much bread as Bilbo said.
As soon as the Ring left him he started his life as he might have lived it as Smeagol. Smeagol was very young when he found the ring.
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